The Bayshore Town Center has adopted new rules that ban people under 18 from the mall after 3 p.m. on Fridays and Saturdays unless they are accompanied by a parent or guardian. Is this a smart move or is the mall overreacting?
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(16) Read All ResponsesYes they did. The reason Northridge died is because everyone ignored the crime, and the people who were hanging out and causing trouble. If Bayshore wants to survive, they must get this in check now. This city and county needs to stop burying its head in the sand and stop thug behavior before it gets out of hand.
YES YES YES As in all "towns" there are codes of conduct that should be followed by all. Unfortunately a select few have made it difficult for all. I have personally witness large groups of high school age kids acting badly. I don’t want my 2 and 4 year old around that.
I think it was a good idea. Yes kids are going to be upset over this because they don't have a lot of places to hang out, but for people to say get better security, how will that help? In this case it wouldn't, there was a gathering of over 100 teenagers in one place, police and security acted quickly to try and get this under control but they were out numbered very easily. People say that don't let the actions of a few ruin things for the rest of us. Life isn't fair, it never has been and it never will be. Everyone pays the price for the few that decide not to live by the rules. This policy is meant to make sure Bayshore stays safe for everyone, and if teens need to be accompanied by adults for the next few months then so be it.
I think they overracted. They should just hire a few watchdogs! Why ruin it for the majority because the lazy guards cannot handle a few incidents. The businesses will definitely suffer. Not allowing a teenager to go bowling or go to the movies on the weekend without mommy or daddy holding their hand is quite snobby of the mall management. These things will happen but to just ban everyone is not the answer!
Yes, Bayshore made the right move. I read another article, that indicated that the motivation for the change was influenced by race. I thought this was a rather sloppy assessment. I have seen middle and high school aged kids, of all races and backgrounds acting inappropriate, at Bayshore. How does this help the mall? One other post cited Northridge, and was dead on. Crime killed Northridge because Northridge didn't do anything to make people feel safe to shop there. Do we really want Bayshore to travel down that path too?
Zac- how much money do you think these kids are spending at the mall? The food court isn't what keeps the mall open, it is the upscale shops that the mall is trying to keep. Additionally, people live within this "Town Center". Do you think the apartment dwellers appreciate this type of behavior?
My children were raised to be well-behaved, as I believe most are. A private entity such as Bayshore has a right to enact whatever policies they wish, and the entity should suffer the consequences of the policies. I feel the people who feel safer shopping there because of the policy will spend more than the teens would have. This is the essence of our American legal system, reaching back to Magna Carta, restricting the actions of a few for the good of the many.
It was just a matter of time before this incident, or something worse was going to happen. Shopping mall personnel have a hard time defining "loitering" from people who are just leisurely shopping. What makes Bay Shore so attractive for a teen mob gathering, while the Mequon Pavilion Plaza is not?? Why isn't this kind of an incident likely to take place on East Silver Spring near the Fox Bay or Sendik's? Why not Oakland Ave., or on KK in Bay View? What do you think Bay Shore can do to make itself less attractive to teen mobs, without the new restrictive rules? Maybe converting the food court into more upscale-less franchise type offerings would help. How about a mall policy that requires a person to have a receipt for proof of purchase from either the food court or some other mall store, if they are sitting in the food court area. I'm just brainstorming ideas that offer something other than the new rules to prevent teen troublemaking............Any ideas???
Has anyone seen the crime blotters for Glendale, and the surrounding communities, over the past several months? It seems that there have been mutliple arrests, stemming from theft occurring at Bayshore. These aren't small petty thefts, these are people stealing hunders, or thousands of dollars in merchandise. I think the mall needs to step up security before it travels down the same path as the previous Bayshore, Northridge, or Grand Ave.
Al- It appears that a lot of teens congregate at Bayshore because it is wither within walking distance, or on a bus line. They don't spend money at the mall, and though they congregate at the food court, they rarely even eat. I think the best thing Baysore can do, is eliminate the food court. Generally, the only people who really eat there, are the employees at the mall. Perhaps Bayshore needs to monitor the food court a little more closely, by having a dedicated security person, inside the mall, at all times. I have never seen anyone patrolling inside, in all my trips to Bayshore.
Not only was this a smart move, it was absolutely necessary. The owner and the City have an obligation to the residence of Glendale to ensure the mall's success due to the tax money that has been invested. They are also responsible for the safety and security of all persons on the property. If a major incident erupts and there are injuries or fatalities, the mall will be be held responsible. We must learn the lessons of Northridge, Capitol Court, and even Mayfair. Fear, real or imagined, will lead to the fate that these malls suffered.
One would hope that these rules aren't necessary. Obviously they are. They are sending a message that teen misconduct is not tolerated. Until there are indicators that prove respect by teens has improved, I think we all should respect the measures they have taken. Let's work on creating more positive environments and behaviors by the the teens. With inspiring all teens to act more appropriately in public, these adjustments can be avoided in the future.
Yes they did. I for one will not go there on FRIDAY or SATURDAY nights now. I only go to the outer stores like KOHLS, or the restaurants. The kids are loud and obnoxious and spend little compared to the adults that they scare away! If you need something to do, go to a school dance or play rather than just "hang out" to be somewhere. Parents should enforce this too. After all, if their kids really do need to shop and spend allowance like the kids defend, why can’t they do that all week long, and not congregate at the mall on date nights.
"Town Center" type malls--Bay Shore is not the only one in the country built around this concept...have a very Disneyesque feeling to them, much like shopping at Disneyworld. The bad teen behavior experienced at public malls doesn't happen at Disneyland. If' you're reading this forum, you're smart enough to come to your own conclusions why this is so. There's no entrance fee required to enter the mall property, and I doubt most of the shopppers see it as a vacation destination. It's located between an urban shopping vaccum and the bucolic suburbs that appear to already have everything anyone could possibly need. Did the Glendale Common Council and the developers of Bay Shore miss the fact that this creation would become an obvious destination for this troublesome element of society? This sort of pops that Disney-like dream, doesn't it?
Yes, mall management made exactly the correct decision for my family. Bay Shore has a business responsibility to its mall tenant/merchants, homeowner residents in the condos, and the non-shopping oriented business tenants to maintain a safe and desirable atmosphere. The City of Glendale and Milwaukee County have a vested interest in mall success, too. Property taxes and county sales tax are a function of the mall's success. The teens that are the object of this mall policy don't care about these facts. The malls do not have a moral responsibility to function as teen gathering places. There are plenty of opportunities for teen self-improvement during non-school hours. Bay Shore Mall is not one of them.
No! This is definately the wrong measure...It will hurt business and is just wrong on so many levels... If it is a matter of safety and security, get better more reliable security...You can't remove the life from a "Town Center" and expect it to thrive...it will Die...Does anyone remember the mall a decade ago? Ghost town.